Enlightenment is the bliss of knowing where you are coming from and where you are going to and why. You are coming from and going to infinite perfection. Enlightenment is understanding that your purpose is to give and receive unending fulfillment. Enlightenment is also understanding that how this is accomplished cannot be reasoned because the means of accomplishing this feat is to abandon reason. To be filled one must first become empty. It can only be said that you cast away your oneness (this is where you give and this is where the illusion begins). Because this is just an illusion, being in this imperfect state cannot last forever. The result is that when it ends, you awaken to the joy and peace of your unchanged infinite perfection (this is where you receive and this is where the illusion ends). This cycle is infinite.
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 1:19 PMThat's not the way that I see it. A lot of these things may happen as a result of Awakening, but an unAwake person could easily see, perceive, and/or feel all the things that you are talking about.
For me, Awakening or Enlightenment is death -- the death of the one you thought you were, but always really knew that you weren't. It's the death of the localized ego. Everything else flows from that single shift in consciousness. -
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 1:34 PMThe ego death comes from understanding that you are the creator and you are alone. The path of enlightenment that I described is the path of the creator. There is only One, there is no other. You are the creator. -
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 1:42 PMnow now lets all play nice.
how many times have we had this discussion?
if your not listening to other peoples post how is it possible that your doing it from the level of the creator?
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Re: What is Enlightenment?
Sun, January 21, 2007 - 2:16 PMI'll throw in what Roger had defined as enlightenment...that it is the permanent connection of the light body to the physical body.
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 3:13 PMBecause you have chosen to be in a temporary state of limitation. -
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 8:25 PMthank you for your supreme sharing.
are you finished or is there more you like to share or take?
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this convo s'about to blow. the audience needs more captain
you know weve been here before. the rhythm is all ready climbing.
oh the sweet at one ment of the perfect fifth.
buckle your seatbelts.
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Re: What is Enlightenment?
Sun, January 21, 2007 - 8:38 PMWell...I agree but it mat from a very low perspective. There seem to be many levels of enlightenment and many levels of illusion. It is just a word and that word is very much different from the experience, and hwo knows what experience we may be having. If I am trapped in a prison and someone comes in with a flashlight....I sure am enlightened.
I don't seem able to judge someone else's experience with enlightenment or God. Our minds can sound so nice especially when we write about something...
I would like to see an openess to each of our experiences..who really is to say...are we in a competition for who is the most spiritual? Well I find that most of my path is realizing how stupid I have been or am.
This tribe has been kind of quet for quite a while though at a few points there were some very stimulating exchanges.
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 8:58 PMi am the essence of everything which too, carries nothing.
and that too is me. a projection of the field in which all move in.
YOU ARE ALL NOTHING as a part of your beingness. now we are on equal grounds.
a ground that is neither hard or soft. i am looking to find the way between everything and nothing.
what is the map to the center of this place of ALL. this place of ALL, this field, engulfs all my senses and leaves me to see with this "I"
but, it is the wrong "I". again i can not decern the "∞" from this "I" and this "EYE."
Will 'en lighten ment' (light at this moment), illuminate the way between this "I" and this "EYE."
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 9:09 PMthe message is very clear.
dogmatically all of you are wrong and simultaneously correct.
unconditionally, the highest form that defines that which you defines, is always in the process of being changed.
oh, you wish to mirror the creator, you say? you wish to sit by his side, then sit with nothing. sit with you failures and with your "I",
for the EYE is ever watchful speaking ever so seldom inthe language of love, humility, patience. It is the EYE that defines the definition of
Enlightenment as a process and leaves it up to the "I" to alter its truth. All of your experiences drap themselves over your "I." Your "I's" limitation defines your experience, defines your place in the process of enlightenment. The EYE acknowledges your "I."
ENLIGHTENMENT...IS.
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Sun, January 21, 2007 - 9:23 PMNice Mr Crown...good to hear from you...thank you and everyone else for sharing....
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Re: What is Enlightenment?
Sun, January 21, 2007 - 9:38 PMthis game is about to unfold.
this game is about to unfold.
this game is about to unfold.
as eye hang here unside down i notice that the rules of the game are different.
fromthis position, we can see that it is darkness that we can not see. it is the light that blinds...
how can this be?
we can see that it is darkness that we can not see. it is the light that blinds...?
that totality of my self, the truth that is mirrored in the rhetoric of all and none is the personification
of my search and still it is the "I " that must work the clock to see it.
to see its perfect complement. requires that i change my perspective, my position.
what is the light blinding me from seeing? what is it? if the light is the source and the giver of my truths,
what is its foundation that supports it? and although i can decern that it has been both my eyes (Is) that deceive me,
the nature of the truth that supports the light that ultimately blinds me from seeing the whole must be resound the common unifying force.
can eye see in the dark?
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Mon, January 22, 2007 - 3:55 AMGreat stuff! Great to hear when you really get on a roll like that!
I agree, God is a paradox. Both nothing and something. It is nothing in the sense that it does not exist to anything outside of itself, but to itself it is everything.
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Sat, August 18, 2007 - 8:30 AMHi, Nathan,
I've been working with a practice where the goal is not to kill the ego, the goal is to integrate it. I'm defining the "ego" as the "humanness", the part of us that functions on the level of earth-plane reality, the first three chakras: physical, emotional, mental. The first goal in this practice is to get the 4th chakra fully awake and engaged, and as it's waking up, the ego is resisting that process, but at some point, and this has already happened for me, happened about three weeks ago to be exact, the Heart fully opens to all that is in the humanness, the good, the bad, and the *ugly*.
When this compassion and acceptance and loving embrace energy flowed from my Heart down my belly towards my first and second chakras, they responded to the loving acceptance by softening, and I next felt an energy flowing up to my heart, my humanness "coming home." I actually walked around disoriented for about a week, feeling like I didn't know who I was.
When I described the experience to my meditation teacher, he said I had had a "Soul Infusion."
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Sat, August 18, 2007 - 9:12 AMI had a meditation that connections to what you just shared and I will post later on it....just wanted to thank you again for sharing.
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Tue, February 20, 2007 - 11:44 PMIn:Light:In:Meant
Understanding that we know nothing?
Q: WHAT is enlightening?
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Wed, February 21, 2007 - 8:41 AMExcuse me..no jokers allowed in here. This is a serious discussion about how light bulbs work. You look like a fool. -
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 5:29 AMOM JAI KINDRED SPIRIT
ENLIGHTENMENT IS BEING A HAPPY WISE FOOL WHO KNOWS ALL THE ANSWERS,
ALL BLISSED OUT ON NIRVANA,
WALKING THE TALK OF ETERNAL TRUTH AND PERFECT LOVE.
THANK YOU REKMEL1 FOR CASTING THE NET REMEMBERING... GOOD CATCH INDEED.
MOST WONDERFUL ARE ALL THESE DIVERSE POINTS OF VIEW
ON WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT.
NOW LETS GET BACK TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF HOW TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB.
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Thu, February 22, 2007 - 7:27 AMHow many Shanti's does it take to enlighten a human being? -
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 8:30 AMOM JAI KINDRED SPIRIT
How many Shanti's does it take to enlighten a human being?
GOOD ONE SWEEP.... I LIKE THIS ONE... THANX FOR KEEPING IT LITE.
HOW MANY SHANTI'S? HUMMMMMM........
PERHAPS AS THE SAME AMOUNT OF LICKS
IT TAKES TO GET TO THE CENTER OF A TOOTSIE ROLL POP.
TURTLE DOES NOT KNOW,
BUT THE WISE OWL SAYS, IT TAKES THREE TO GET TO THE CENTER.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 2:04 PM<Viveka: SHOUT SHOUT ETCETERA OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI >
KEEP THE NOISE DOWN WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME ******* SLEEP HERE!!!
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 3:32 PMI agree, good catch, Thanks all! -
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Fri, February 23, 2007 - 3:51 PMWell what I have found here after the initial dialogues that were mainly inspired by Bernard, is that most people are not that inclined to explore the question....rather everyone knows the answer. It seems to become an arguement about perspectives....now thats not to say that one or more people are extremely advanced and really are looking from a place of knowing and can hear and see where people are trapped in their illusion.
Yet wouldnt it be interesting to see where there are much different interpretations through the various religions and spiritual paths....??
Perhaps enlightenment is one event that either occurs or doesn't. Perhaps it can only come through a direct communication with God. Perhaps all else is illusion.
But who's to know what is also a hologramic implant by an offworld being who is manipulating people to think the are somewhere when actaully they are way off track?
Whos to know that the only people who are enlightened would not speak of it here.
is there a kind of dialogue where we would all benefit?
Why with so many intelligent people that we cannot come together to share what we know and really be heard?
We use these words than mean so much to some and so little to others....and do we even agree on the same meanings...
It just seems that this arena is not being used to what it could....
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Sat, February 24, 2007 - 2:17 PMEnlightenment is understanding that there is no enlightenment.. it's just being a being (forever traveling learning.. unlearning, interacting.. , going with the flow). Connecting to one illusion and facing aonther. To know where you are.. and to know that you are deling with illusion and not the truth could be called being enlightened.
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Thu, April 19, 2007 - 6:52 PMwhatever it needs to be
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 7:30 PMOM Namo Narayana -
G of what use is it to debate based upon what has been read - it is only
in the direct experience that all illusions and ideas are swalllowed up in
the Reality - and That Reality is Unchanging and beyond dispute.
Enlightenment only comes when you go beyond mind and
thought.. for any thought or word brings concepts and form into being... and
then you are separate into the world of maya.... This is why it is
impossible to explain fully... for any word that i would try to use sets up
limitations and boundaries, and concepts.... even if i say formless it only
brings to mind a state or quality of form....
while intellect can discard one thing at a time as transient and therefore
not the Constant or Source... it cannot take you to the ultimate truth of
existance beyond existance or the maya realm of which it has proceeded
from.... but perhaps you do not wish to hear this from me now and that is
fine too... you are entitled to your view of truth -or your illusion of
truth whatever it is....
The Emptiness which holds the All is not a void of flatness but pregnant
with all that is or will be.... It is the potential for that which is
expressed in form....
all i can say is that in going beyond mind and thought in the silence you
will find that all your thought to be true drops in an instant... and you
KNOW that the maya realm is only a more extended dream state... it no longer
has the hold on you... the illusions are dropped... and That Which Is or
Source is All that remains... It is the Constant and permeates all but is
untouched by any of the proceedings in the maya realm of the transient....
And the Essence of your Being is only that Source... Beyond a shadow of a
doubt you have never been born nor never died the essense of you IS...
Eternal.... all that happens, happens only to form and to your mental
illusions that you are only the body in this existance.... but to the real
you that is ever eternal -- Nothing can touch or harm nor change its eternal
nature... which is Bliss, and the Emptiness that is Complete containing All
in potentiality... no longer personality... but it is more real than
anything which you now view in the maya realm.... and this is realization
... simply to come to that place... where there is no within or without...
it simply IS... and there are no longer any questions... nor any disputes...
nor any conviction( for in conviction there must be doubt somewhere, and
there is NO Doubt) ... the path ends.... and liberation is won... for you
find there has never been anything to be liberated from.... and you see the
maya realm for what it is... a playground of mind and desire... the ever
transient world in change... the only constant is change... And you see the
emptiness in it and know it is non-dual in nature also..... and you rest in
the Silence beyond "rational" mind and thought... no thoughts floating in
endless succession.... and if any arise they are only empty clouds that pass
without any substance....
when the thoughts end - and even the desire for liberation and enlightenment
has been dropped. then and only then does the shift take place... and All
changes in a split second... The world is not and only the Substance... the
Essense.... the Truth beyond Division remains.... you are no longer
witness.. for there must be subject and object to be witnessed.... you are
not a witness of anything.... yet you are.... Complete and Whole with more
Life and Bliss than you can ever obtain in the transient fleeting world of
maya.... Simply you are... and yet you are not... for there is no person...
no body.... no mind... no thought... no personality.... Yet you are Real and
the Eternal Nature that gives life... sustains life... and is life....
Why all this came out now to you is a mystery to me.... but it did... and it
stands for whatever reason.....
Love and Blessings
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Sat, August 18, 2007 - 8:41 AMSimply lovely. Yes, Full Emptiness. -
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Re: What is Enlightenment?
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 2:32 PMYes. The Eternal Circle of Peace.
* Om Shanti *
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